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"pip bip - choose Corrour" (hhgttg69)
12/11/2018 at 06:15 • Filed to: hour rule, smart

poor smart car

sorry Miss Mercedes

DISCUSSION (26)

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > pip bip - choose Corrour
12/11/2018 at 06:22

france?

they love torching cars over there... either coz they’re rioting about something or coz they’re celebrating (also rioting) something

poor cars

pip bip - choose Corrour > farscythe - makin da cawfee!
12/11/2018 at 06:29

yep, France

next thing is how many will they torch on NYE?

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > pip bip - choose Corrour
12/11/2018 at 06:38

It never ceases to amaze me what you don't achieve by having a riot.

Svend > farscythe - makin da cawfee!
12/11/2018 at 06:44

To be fair, they aren’t as militant as they used to be.

It used to be any form of change resulted in trucks being turned over, ports closed, etc...

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > pip bip - choose Corrour
12/11/2018 at 07:05

hundreds probably....insurance companies must be trying to figure out how to avoid paying for torched cars over there by now

BigBlock440 > pip bip - choose Corrour
12/11/2018 at 07:34

Did they burn any other cars? That’s the only one people seem to be posting, seems like a pretty calm day if they only torched one.

BigBlock440 > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media
12/11/2018 at 07:36

They did get a 6 month halt on the new taxes, so I guess that’s why they do it.

pip bip - choose Corrour > BigBlock440
12/11/2018 at 07:48

yeah i’ve seen pics of others, this one stood out the most

DipodomysDeserti > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media
12/11/2018 at 08:11

“ Macron decided Wednesday to “get rid” of the tax planned for next year, an official in the president’s office told The Associated Press. Prime Minister Edouard Philippe told lawmakers the tax is no longer included in the 2019 budget.”

https://www.apnews.com/535bcbbc3d2741d0aff14c634f1375fd

DipodomysDeserti > BigBlock440
12/11/2018 at 08:11

They ended up scrapping it altogether. It’s no longer included on next year’s budget.

DipodomysDeserti > Svend
12/11/2018 at 08:13

Kinja'd!!!

punkgoose17 > BigBlock440
12/11/2018 at 08:38

I’ve seen am image of a 1st gen Twingo, too.

For Sweden > pip bip - choose Corrour
12/11/2018 at 08:52

Kinja'd!!!

BigBlock440 > DipodomysDeserti
12/11/2018 at 09:01

I guess the riots worked, the 70% approval rating probably didn’t hurt either.

Elumerere > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media
12/11/2018 at 10:53

Macron announced a raise in minimum wage and a halt on the new taxes, thanks to the protests.
They actually work.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > punkgoose17
12/11/2018 at 15:44

NNNNNOOOOO!!!! HOW COULD THEY!? HOW COULD YOU DESTROY SOMETHING SO CUTE AND INNOCENT!? Pour one out, oppo.

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > Elumerere
12/11/2018 at 16:33

Oh yes some people got what some other people think they wanted but overall what are the positive achievements from all these people going off tap?

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > DipodomysDeserti
12/11/2018 at 16:38

Sure. But in the general scheme of things...what actual good has come from this or any other riot?

An angry mob is just a collection of typically intelligent people made inarticulate, stupid and exploitable.

Elumerere > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media
12/11/2018 at 16:52

The positive achievements? Are you dense?

The people didn’t agree with the new tax. They protested. Eventually the tax was revoked. And this isn’t clear to you?
You’re not really arguing here in good faith, are you?

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > Elumerere
12/11/2018 at 17:00

I am commenting in good faith actually. And I agree that some of the rioters may have got the outcome they were looking for. But at what cost? W as it really worth it, both individually and collectively as a society for those people to carry on that way? And does any change it propogates for those who rioted actually last?

Elumerere > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media
12/11/2018 at 17:08

Of course it was worth it.
They didn’t agree with a policy change, then when that fell on deaf ears, went out to demonstrate.
Eventually those in power caved to their demands.

What don’t you get about that?

Look, as someone having grown up in a European city, 1st of May (day of the labor movement) demonstrations always would turn into mini-riots. While the destruction wasn’t a good thing (still isn’t) per se, it did wonders to keep the police state in check and balance the will of people vs. the will of state power.
The fact that US police are so heavily militarized (and no, you cannot argue to the contrary of that) and the people are mostly afraid of interacting with police in the US show that such a tradition might’ve been a good thing to have here.
I’m not advocating for riots, I’m advocating for checks and balances. And when one side has ultimate state power the other side sometimes needs to show how that power can be limited (via the usage of masses).
Makes sense?

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > Elumerere
12/11/2018 at 17:25

I understand how protest works as I’ve done a few . I also understand how political power and bureaucracy works because I’ve been there too . And the reality in my experience has been mindless protest aka rioting has never been as effective in the long term at mitigating political power as focussed protest in conjunction with meaningful negotiation.

Rioting does not take the political power away from the ‘police state’. It many ways it actually energises it. That's not what any of us want.

Bear in mind that I’m not from Europe or North America so I come at this from a different mindset. I may also be coming from an older generation...

Elumerere > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media
12/11/2018 at 19:16

I see. You are arguing in good faith. Thank you.

The riots in Paris clearly worked, though. The French have a tradition of strikes working, so there’s power to it.
Of course, riots can also tilt in the other direction, especially in a country like the US. Strikes though seem very effective even here, and I wish more people would recognize it as a powerful means of negotiation. See the teacher’s strikes recently.

DipodomysDeserti > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media
12/11/2018 at 20:33

Oh, for sure. I’m just comparing it to a US riot, which never seems to change the outcome of your favorite team’s championship game. At least something changed. However , these guys probably did more damage to their economy than the fuel tax would have, so your original point stands. I think Cocksparrer described the need to riot best.

“I can’t stand the peace and quiet, all I w ant is a running riot.”

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > Elumerere
12/11/2018 at 21:27

Oh I have no problem with strikes. I am a former union member after all. However, strikes are generally a more negotiative affair.

Riots are typically just a disorganised, destructive and often counterproductive shouting match by comparison...no matter how much pressure they appear to bring to bear on the government of the day.

Elumerere > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media
12/12/2018 at 10:42

Well, again, in this case it worked. Thus it was the riot (lol) move.